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Old 04-02-2017, 01:02 PM   #1
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Cage inside a cage? Birdie Play Pen?

Hi! I'm getting my first parrrotlet baby in about 4 weeks, and I have decided on this cage for the bird, the King's Cages "Superior Line Flight Cage," 28" wide x 18" deep x 28 1/4" high (inside height; overall height with stand is 56"). The cage will be white, btw, not black:

http://www.kingscages.com/ProductDet...tID=SLF%202818



It is the absolute largest cage I can fit, in the ONLY place in the house in which I can place the cage. (Great location, btw. Very sunny, but no direct sunlight. Tucked in a dining room corner, with a bay window on one side, and a regular window on the other side. We have an open floor plan, so that the cage will be visible from both the dining room and kitchen. The bird will see us all the time.)

I also love that this cage has 4 swinging, locking feeder doors. I leave for work by 7:00 a.m., and will not have time to deal with removing the bird (due to cage aggression) every weekday morning, in order to change the food and water. I also have two cats, and REALLY would not have time to find both of them and make sure they were locked away before taking the bird out of the cage. So those swinging feeder doors are a MUST. (I have already purchased "hoods" that I am going to mount above each bowl, to keep droppings out of the food and water. I will mount them high enough that the Parrotlet will still feel comfortable eating and drinking, since I know they are not fond of covered dishes!)



The cats never bothed my previous birds (two budgies), who were housed in this same location. I keep large scat mats on the floor on the two exposed sides of the cage (the other two cage sides face the walls). I also keep "Ssscat" compressed air cans on the widow sills on either side of the cage. So the cats truly leave the birds alone! I've had this set up for 8 years with no problems. (I also use heavy duty stand cages that will not topple, even if the cats somehow jumped on them.).

So I LOVE the new cage I have chosen, and the cage location, but here is my dilemma: I have been reading that is it a good idea to keep the baby in a SMALL cage, for at least a few weeks after bringing him home. There is NOWHERE in my house where I could keep a small cage safe from the cats. I could use our office (which is actually a spare bedroom), but I would never trust my husband and son to remember to keep the door closed. They would remember for a while and then forget; I just know it. Plus, the bird would not have a chance to get used to being in the main living area of the house.

I am thinking about buying a small cage and actually sitting it INSIDE the large cage, in order to keep the baby safe. Has anyone ever done this? I am considering a small Vision cage, or some other small parakeet/travel cage. I will probably be a pain in the butt, but I am not sure how else I can keep a small cage safe from the cats.

Has anyone ever done this? Used a small cage situated within the larger cage? Any recommendations for what type/model of small cage to use? The dimentions of the large cage floor are 26 3/4" wide x 17 1/8" deep.

Also, has anyone ever used a "Birdy Play Pen," as pictured here? http://www.luckyfeathers.com/playpens.htm (This is not where I'm getting my bird, btw.)



Would this be a better idea, to have a "Birdy Play Pen," inside the larger cage? I can see advantages (feeling of security/keeping in warmth) and disadvantages to this idea (no practice learning to navigate cage bars, for instance.)

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Old 04-02-2017, 02:29 PM   #2
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Whether a baby cage is needed is dependent on the individual animal. I do agree with your desire to have a sturdy cage with cats as an issue, because most small cages are so fragile and easy to break. A couple things you can do to make the huge mansion more baby friendly. First, letting your baby be a bit older before it comes home is a good plan. A more mature bird is going to be more coordinated, which is the fear of the huge cage. Then, you need to set up the mansion differently then it will be in the end. Food and water should be at the bottom level, and you will want to keep the perches easy to figure out and low as well. Rope perches are easier to grip with feet and beaks. They you will want to put a fleece blanket at the bottom of the cage until you are pretty certain that the bird is not going to oops and fall off the perch to the bottom. Baby birds are just clumsy, and will literally trip over their own feet, so they need something so they don't get hurt if they fall to the bottom of the cage. If you baby-bird the cage, even the mansion should be ok. Oh, and you will want a birdie snuggle like this https://www.etsy.com/listing/5018502..._home_active_7 Parrotlets pretty universally seem to want to sleep snuggled in fleece (or on top of the fleece, to each their own).
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Old 04-02-2017, 04:23 PM   #3
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I agree with Dana, just baby bird proof the bigger cage and run with it. Padding on the bottom in case of falls. Keep perches and food low to start with. Use rope, soft, small perches so the chick can get easy purchase. Some sort of low hiding places so he can feel safe when he needs too. If you know the breeder then maybe get an idea how he is currently being house and try to match it if you can. See how he responds to this and adjust accordingly.
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I was going to say what they said. LOL
I notice some birds don't really like the clear sides, I made a little box just like that for Melody and she really just wanted to get out. I think something​ soft on the bottom and keep things low.
It sounds like you have a very responsible plan for the cats, I've never heard so many good ideas. I wish more people understood how important that is. That cage is great, it looks like Melody's.
I don't worry about covering the food cups, I just place everything in the cage so poop won't fall on anything below. He might not like that, I would put one with and one without just in case, you don't want to deter him from eating or drinking. Lotts and lotts of millet too.
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At the risk of freaking everyone out, I have to admit that with my first budgie, Dexter (gorgeous blue spangle), I didn't need to do any of that with the cats. My Blue Point Birman, Julius (a.k.a. Grand Premier Abirwood's Just for Kicks), used to leap up and sit on the top of Dexter's cage all the time.









Dexter wouldn't even startle. He simply went about his business, chattering away, as Julius sat there atop the cage, relaxing. Dexter actually seemed to like Julius. They never had physical contact, however. I sometimes think that Julius misses Dexter. I know I do!

When I got two new budgies, after Dexter died, it was never the same again. Julius made one leap up onto the cage, and they freaked out. (They were not even hand-tame, so I wasnt surprised.) From then on, I have taken all the precautions I described above!
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Dexter and Julius are both GORGEOUS! That cat is amazing, I assuming he's a champion show cat?

I never worried about putting any of my birds in temporary cages when I got them. I just put their perches and food close to the bottom for the first little while, but I'm not even sure that was necessary.

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Old 04-03-2017, 12:19 AM   #7
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Dexter and Julius are both GORGEOUS! That cat is amazing, I assuming he's a champion show cat?

I never worried about putting any of my birds in temporary cages when I got them. I just put their perches and food close to the bottom for the first little while, but I'm not even sure that was necessary.

Have fun with your new baby!
Thanks for the advice. Looks like I won't have to worry about a small cage, after all! That's a relief.

Thank you for your kind words about Julius (and Dexter!). Yes, Julius is a grand champion, but in the Cat Fanciers Association, neutered champions are known as Premiers. Unlike in dog shows, you can actually compete with spayed and neutered animals in CFA. They just have their own class: "Premiership," instead of Championship. Julius is a Blue Point Birman. Having owned three, I can tell you that Birmans are, by far, the sweetest, gentlest, softest, most beautiful cats you will ever encounter. (And they don't mat - ever!)

I dreamed of owning a Birman for 20 years before I got Julius. His breeder started showing him before I adopted him, and I finished his title in under a year. He HATED the show ring, which is a bummer, because he could have gotten regional or even national rankings if I had kept at it. (A CFA judge told me so!) But I didn't want to torture him, so as soon as he "Granded," I quit.



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He's just amazing. I lost two cats to old age within the past 3 years, and this is the first time in my life (including as a small child) that I haven't had a cat. I'm retired now, and really miss having a cat, but the vet bills are just so high. Looking at Julius really makes me want another one though, just like him
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Dexter is a beauty, and I'm not a cat fancier. I never owned a cat, just birds.
Parakeets are wonderful---yours was a gorgeous blue.
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